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Interview Hazrat Amir'oul Momeneen
Munir Ahmad Azim, Mubashar Dar Hazrat Amir'oul Momeneen Muhyi-uddin, Ahmadiyya News Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen
Dear Mubashar Dar Saheb,
Assalamoualaikum Warahmatullah Wabarakaatuhu
I thank you again for your invitation for an Interview with this humble one in the Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen.
AhmadiyyaNews:
Brother Munir Ahmad Azim Sahib would you please tell us what circumstances lead your disassociation from the Ahmadiyya community and encouraged you to create your own Jama'at?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
Allah had given Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad a great favour of writing a big book "Knowledge, Rationality and Truth" to explain that the door of Prophethood, Divine revelations is never closed but when Allah put him on trial (when I wrote to him and told him that I am receiving Divine Revelations) He chose not to believe me and expelled me along with my brother Hazrat Mokarram Amir'oul Momeneen Zafrullah Domun from the Nizam-é-Jamaat. This means that he did not put into practice what he had preached for all these years of his Khilafat.
I am not against Khilafat. That is why with trust in Allah and as Mirza Tahir Ahmad was the Khalifa at that time, and under divine instructions, I informed the Khalifa about what Allah had revealed to me at that time. He chose to listen to the lies of his Amir of Mauritius, Additional Vakilul Tabshir, and did not care to listen to my versions of things and condemned us (my brother and I) without having listened to us. But they will bear the consequences of their own evil actions because Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad based his decisions on the false report of his Amir (Mauritius).
"But those who reject Our signs and turn away from them with disdain, -these are the inmates of the Fire; they shall abide therein". (Ch.7, V.37)
"Those who reject Our signs and turn away from them with disdain, the gates of spiritual firmament will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Heaven until a camel goes through the eye of a needle. And thus do We requite the offenders" (Ch.7, V.41)
Even at that moment, we continued to go to the various branch in Mauritius to perform Salaat-ul Jummah but one day on the Occasion of Eid-ul Adha of the year 2001, the Amir of Mauritius gave orders to close the Mosque where we were going to perform our Eid prayers. A rare happening indeed. An Ahmadi Amir, Mr Amine Jowahir, acted like a non- ahmadi from Pakistan by closing a mosque on Eid Day so that an Ahmadi may not pray in it.
Later on in 2003 Allah comforted me and ordained me to form my own Jamaat, the True Jamaat of Hazrat Massih Ma'oud Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s) - True in the sense that it is the Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen who will revive the teachings of the Promised Messiah (a.s) that the people had trampled to dust. Allah Himself gave the name of "Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen" to all true believers of Islam, Hazrat Massih Ma'oud (a.s) and this humble one.
AhmadiyyaNews:
Do you consider yourself a follower of the Promised Messiah a.s. or your teachings are different from him in any regard?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
I am the follower of my Aka (master) Hazrat Muhammad Mustapha (s.a.w) and the follower of Hazrat Massih Ma'oud, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s) and my teachings are not different from them. Instead I have come from Allah to consolidate and stand as a witness to the truthfulness of their claim.
I am both a Mohyuddin and a follower of Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) and Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s).
AhmadiyyaNews:
What is your opinion towards the Khulafa of the Jama'at Ahmadiyya. Their ability and approach towards achieving the ultimate victory of Islam and Ahmadiyyat as prophesied by the Promised Messiah a.s.?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
I believe in the Khalifas of Jamaat Ahmadiyya like I said above: Hazrat Moulvi Hakim Nooruddin, Hazrat Mousleh Ma'oud Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad, and also Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad.
Although they were not directly divinely appointed by God Almighty, Allah was their help as long as they were on the right path and preaching the true teachings of Islam. Allah gave them true dreams and revelations to help them in their task, because they were righteous in their devotion to help the cause of Allah Ta'ala and Allah blessed them with great knowledge and Insight. But please remember one thing:-
Allah says in the Holy Quran, Chapter 29 (Al-Ankabut), V.2-3:
"Do men think that they will be left alone because they say, 'We believe', and that they will not be tried? And We did try those who were before them. So Allah will assuredly know those who are truthful and He will, assuredly, know the liars".
Allah will always try (test) the people who say that they are propagating Tawheed. In the past, Allah tested His various prophets like, Hazrat Adam, Ibrahim, Hazrat Ismael, Hazrat Musa, Hazrat Haroon, Hazrat Nuh, Hazrat Yunus, Hazrat Yusuf, and Hazrat Suleiman etc... Some of them at one time in their life received reprimand from Allah for not obeying His commands (like Hazrat Adam, Hazrat Yunus, Hazrat Suleiman etc...) and Allah punished them (where Hazrat Suleiman from being a king became a beggar, Hazrat Adam was banished from the place Allah had chosen for him, HazratYunus was pushed from the ship he was in and a whale swallowed him) but after they repented Allah forgave them and gave them back their honour and status as prophets of God.
So, Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad also, like a servant of Allah, like a guardian of Deen-é-Islam was bound to be tried by Allah. Once in a Khutba Jummah, he said that 52 persons were getting revelation in the Jamaat é Ahmadiyya but when I informed him about my revelations, he turned his back on it and labeled these revelations as "so-called revelations" and he said that we (I and my brother Hazrat Mokarram Amir'oul Momeneen Zafrullah Domun) will encounter a fearful destiny.
As a spiritual father of Jamaat é Ahmadiyya, he should not have said this. Instead Allah had given him two ears to hear both my version and the version of his dear Amir, but he did not even take the trouble to hear my version to know the truth and he based himself on the report full of lies of his Amir, and expelled my brother and I from the Nizam-é-Jamaat.
It is through this matter that I got a clash with him, because Jamaat Ahmadiyya had spent more than 100 years to make people understand that the doors of prophethood is never close, but when Allah tried them and sent at the beginning this humble one, they calumniated me and expelled me from the Nizam-é-Jamaat. It is in the times of Darkness that Allah raises His Messenger/s to revive the lost teachings of Tawheed. And we are in this present era living in darkness where the whole world has been plunged into darkness and none can save it except the Mercy of Allah through His Messengers.
As for the 5th Khalifa-tul Massih of Jamaat é Ahmadiyya I will not pronounce anything for the moment because till now he has not said anything either negative or positive on my claim. I had written to him but he kept his silence and even when last December he came to Mauritius for the Annual Jalsa Salana of Ahmadiyya Muslim Association, he did not come forward to know the truth about my claim as a recipient of Divine revelations having got a Divine Mission.
AhmadiyyaNews:
Do you claim to be the same Musleh Maud as prophesied by the Promised Messiah a.s.? If not then what title do you hold and for what divine mission your appointment has been made?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
On the 20th February 2004, Allah gave me the title of Musleh Ma'oud. I believe firmly that Allah has the capacity to raise more than one messenger, prophet, Mujjaddid, Muhyi-uddin, Massih, Mahdi, Musleh Ma'oud. Hazrat Massih Ma'oud (a.s) said:
"It must be borne in mind that the expression 'the Imam of the age' comprises prophets, messengers, muhaddaseen and reformers, all of them Those who are not Divine appointed for the reform and guidance of mankind and are not invested with the requisite excellences, cannot be described as Imam of the age even if they are saints and abdal" (Zurooratul Imam)
All these titles denote one mission that is to bring mankind towards the Unicity of Allah (SWT). And Allah can send these messengers (be it one, two, three, or more) in the same epoch to work together to propagate Tawheed "La-Ilaha Illallah". And I believe also in the claim of Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad as being a Musleh Ma'oud and in his times, he had done great works and planned to make Islam (through the advent of his father as the Promised Messiah of his time) wake up after its long sleep.
Hazrat Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad (r.a) said in a meeting at Hoshiarpur on the 20th February 1944: "I do not say that I am the only Promised One and that no other promise one will appear till the Day of Judgement. It appears from the prophecies of the Promised Messiah that some other promised ones will also come and some of them will appear after centuries. Indeed, God has told me that at one time He will send me a second time to the world and I will come for the reform of the world at a time when association with God will have become widespread. This means that my soul will, at some time, descend upon someone who will possess faculties and capacities like mine and he will, following in my footsteps, bring about a reform of the world. Thus, promised ones will appear in their due times according to the promise of God Almighty"
When a messenger of Allah comes into this world he does not bring anything new. The teachings already exist, but it is man, through time who tramples these teachings under their feet and brings bid'at (innovations) into the pure religion of Islam. Allah has raised me as Hazrat Mokarram Amir'oul Momeneen KhwajaMuhyi-uddin Khalifatullah, Musleh Ma'oud, Siraj-um Munir, and Qamaram Munira of this Era.
AhmadiyyaNews:
Have you been appointed through the direct revelation of Allah Almighty? If yes then can you please provide us with the wording of those revelations you based your claim on?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
Yes Alhamdollillah, I have been appointed by direct revelation of Allah Almighty. Each time He gave me a title, He make me understand the great task that lies for me.
1) On the 20th February He told me: "O descendant of Deen-e-Islam each time that in some place in the Universe religion declines and irreligion advances, I send someone with the rou-hil-Koudouss".
2) "You are the Mohyuddin of this era"
3) "O Mohyuddin, arise and create a new world".
4) "O Munir Ahmad Azim, Mohyuddin of this ERA. Your gathering is such that not only prophets but the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) himself is present. The status of your Holy Prophet (s.a.w) is boundless. You are the perfect illustration of this fact, O Azim. Many of your followers have achieved the supreme status of "Qutb" and "Abdaal" - O Munir Ahmad Azim, you are known as the Reviver of religion, you are the strength of this religion, O Mohyuddin - He who gets a drop of your ocean, Is the one who will reach the estination safely O Munir Azim! Without Allah's Gifts and Favours, the two Amir oul Momeneen are nothing, O Munir Azim! - O Mohyuddin, saints (wali) are always in need of you; sainthood is yours and you are the distributor, O Mohyuddin - O Mohyuddin! Tell your people, be courageous; my disciple, be cheerful and sing in ecstasy. You are among the one who acknowledge this saying. - O Mohyuddin! My relation to you is above all relations. Your status is indeed high.
5) Allah told me: "... Tell these people, you have not come for propaganda or publicity or gaining disciples or devotees. I AM YOURS AND YOU ARE MINE. Where then is the need for publicity? I give not lectures but mixtures for your mental health and moral invigoration. So take my words as medicines necessary for your health..."
AhmadiyyaNews:
How would you measure your success so far since the creation of your Jama'at and what are your predictions for the future of your Jama'at?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
I will not define it as my success. Actually it is the decree of Allah that He should raise me as a Mohyuddin and put on my right side my brother Hazrat Amir'oul Momeneen Zafrullah Domun Saheb. Both of us have been commissioned by Allah as Warners and Bearers of glad tidings unto this world. And it is Allah Himself who has raised Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen for the reform of Islam. Several times we have received the revelation "Laa ghaliba illallaho" which means no one but Allah will be victorious. At present our number in Mauritius is around 65 persons including men, women and children. We have already registered our Jamaat in India. I have had phone-in conversations with some members in an Arab country. Ahmadis from a major Muslim country have believed in us and they are in the process of registering the jamaat. In another place in Africa some French speaking people have said that they have joined us and they are in the process of registering the jamaat. But we should remember that our success will be measured by the transformation that Incha Allah will be brought in people's lives. Like Hazrat Massih Ma'oud (a.s) I will say that as far as numbers are concerned it would be better to have few but good members rather than many and not so good ones.
I can with full trust and faith in Allah (SWT) say that Allah is with His Messengers and His Jamaat. Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen is the One True Jamaat of Hazrat Massih Ma'oud (a.s).
Allah told me: "Do not worry, the Jamaat will grow step by step". When the papers were sent for the registration of Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen, Allah revealed to me:
"Qaddarallaho Fama Shaaa fa'al" (Allah has determined, He does what He likes).
On 18 February 1945, Hazrat Musleh Ma'oud Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad (r.a) said during an address:
"Our future is bound up with Africa...".
One thing that I can tell you is that it is not for nothing that Hazrat Bilal(r.a) had shed his blood for the sake of Islam. Today Allah has raised two Messengers in Mauritius, forming part of the continent of Africa.
Allah shall be my Guide and the One to guide Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen to its full bloom. All prophets have started this way with their small numbers of followers who later spread all over the world as lights bearers of glad tidings of the truth of the Unicity of Allah (SWT).
"Inna Salaati, wa nusuki, wa mahyaaya, wa mamaati, Rabbul Aalamin" (My Prayers, my devotion, my life, my death all belong to Allah the Rab (Lord) of the worlds).
By the grace of Allah, All praise belong to Him in whom my life is found, who has put the blessings of revelations in Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen, where even women and children are getting revelations. This has been prophesied by Hazrat Mohammad (s.a.w) and Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a.s) where he says:
"The age of the Promised Messiah has this special characteristic that in the ancient scriptures and the ahadees it is recorded that at the time of his advent this spread of spirituality will reach a degree in which women will also receive revelation, and minor children will be able to prophecy, and the common people will speak with the power of the Holy Spirit. All this will be a manifestation of the spirituality of the Promised Messiah" (Zuroora-tul Imam)
Divine Success is when Allah is with you and that is my success; and Allah's success. Allah has revealed me at a time when all I desired was to retire in a room and be only with my Rab and die in that state of submission but Allah told me:
"I will make you famous all over the world"
The first step which I (Mohyuddin) took to fulfill my mission was to remind Muslims and Ahmadis the important distinction between the shell and the kernel, between the externals of a faith and its substance and spirit. I found (with the command of Allah) the JAMAAT AHMADIYYA AL MOUSLEMEEN; every entrant into which, while declaring his faith had to declare, "I will hold my religion above all worldly considerations, 'faith above world'", therefore, became the slogan of JAMAAT AHMADIYYA AL MOUSLEMEEN.
AhmadiyyaNews:
Would you like to give any special message to the current Khalifa Mirza Masroor Ahmad and the rest of the members of the Ahmadiyya Jama'at?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
I invite Hazrat Masroor Ahmad Saheb to join hands with Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen so that we can work together as one body and one soul to invite mankind towards "La-Ilaha Illallah" and to reunite the Ummah of our beloved Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) and the followers of Hazrat Massih Ma'oud (a.s). As the Leader of the Jamaat Ahmadiyya he bears a heavy responsibility in the way he guides his members. As a muttaqi he should try to know first hand about us and then make a decision. He should not abuse his position by not informing the members of the jamaat that Allah has raised a Mohyuddin for their own benefit. If he hides this truth from them, he bears a heavy burden because he will be an impediment to their guidance.
As far as the members of the Jamaat are concerned they should read from our website and enquire from us directly what we stand for. They should also cultivate only Allah's fear and love in their heart and once they understand that something is true, they should not let love and fear of anyone other than Allah to stand in their way. It is my prayer that Allah opens their heart and guides them all to Him. They should also remember that in matters of faith they have personal responsibility and on the day of resurrection they will be questioned about the way they acted vis-à-vis Allah's prophets. Furthermore remember well that their Khalifa will be of no avail to them on the day of resurrection when they will be questioned about the Guidance that came to them from Allah.
AhmadiyyaNews:
What is your opinion towards AhmadiyyaNews? Do you think there was a need for an independent media within the Jama'at? if yes then how would you describe that need?
Munir Ahmad Azim:
From time to time I am informed of what is published on AhmadiyyaNews. I should say I do not know much about you. From what I gather this site has been created to denounce the "dictatorial ways" of the jamaat's establishment. If you remain within that limit and you use Islamic ways it is fine. However you should remember that in order to be fair you should also present the other side's point of view. Furthermore, you should not allow yourself to become an instrument for 'freedom of expression' where everything is to be published. Of course if you see injustice you should fight it but in the Islamic way. From what we understand Jamaat Ahmadiyya's reform will be done in the same way as Allah has reformed other religions in the past i.e. by raising someone with the Holy Spirit (ruhoul quddous) and that person calls the people towards the real Tauhid. Please see "Declaration of Hazrat Mokarram Zafrullah Domun' on our website. In addition Jamaat Ahmadiyya should stick to its original purpose as set out by Hazrat Massih Ma'oud (a.s) to guide people towards Allah because He is "Our Paradise". Everything else is secondary. If we fail in this purpose we fail in everything. If we succeed we get everything. May Allah guide us all to understand this fundamental objective. May Allah be our Guide, Jazakallah Khair once again,
Wassallaam,
Munir Ahmad Azim, Hazrat Amir'oul Momeneen Muhyi-uddin, Jamaat Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen
P.S: Our website has been updated lately with an appeal to my brothers and sisters of Ahmadiyya Association and to the Islamic World and other faiths in general. Feel free to check it up. You may find more answers to your various questions there.
http://www.jaam-international.org
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